Dealing with lying children presents a difficult choice. When they're young, lying seems like a developmental milestone; they are catching on that they may have an exploitable information advantage. Since they are developing a marvelous new power it feels like we should be accepting misuse from time to time. On the other hand most of us know liars who have mastered their sophisticated power and harness it freely to swindle others. We wouldn't want our children to become grown-up liars. Here are my suggestions for handling lying children.
Accept No Lying
I don't associate with liars. Not at all. No way. I've met too many in my life and they've stolen too much from me (you can read about some of the time's I've been cheated and stolen from by my trusted business partners in All-In: How I Made $800,000 in a Lifetime and $15,000 Last Week). You can't talk to a liar because they make up information. You can't make plans with a liar because they are willing to jeopardize them. You can't make a deal with a liar because they won't hold up their end. Being a liar negates any good skills or qualities a person may have. In real life, if I find out that someone has lied to me then I disengage and never trust that person with anything. For any important matters, they don't exist.
Because I love my kids I've told them my views on lying, and I tell them in the same way I described above. People who lie are not worth talking to or dealing with. That's all, just the facts. Here are some points I told my kids:
- People who lie are not worth talking because what they say might not be true.
- There is never any reason good enough to lie. Brave people tell the truth even if they did something wrong. Trying to get away from a punishment is not worth becoming a liar for.
- It is very hard to fix a lie because even if you are sorry, nobody will believe it since you proved your were a liar.
- I explain that if my kids ever lied to me then it is a severe injury to our relationship. I would feel very sad that I couldn't trust what they said.
Set Up The "Rules" Such That Children Don't Feel The Need to Lie
Some parenting coaches say that children lie because they figure there is no harm done. For example: If Grasshopper ate a candy when he wasn't allowed, but lied about it, then who does it hurt? Eating the candy doesn't much hurt anyone, they are right, but lying about it is a stain on the character. Therefore, I recommend that there should not be much of a punishment if Grasshopper does something like eat an extra candy against parental advice. I say advice instead of parental orders because there is no need to make rigid rules about eating candy.
When parents want a candy they get a candy. It should be the same with children. You get the children to regulate their candy input by not buying too much, keeping it out of sight, and by talking to them about what candy does and how it isn't healthy food. The child doesn't have a nonsense (to the child) rule to break and no motivation to lie against said rule. If parents choose instead to have many rigid rules then the child becomes confused. They know that, one day when they're older, it will be ok to eat candy whenever they want but they don't understand why it isn't ok today. The conclusion: Mom and Dad made up an unfair rule. Everyone knows it's ok to break unfair rules; that's not a character defect, that's almost a virtue! Don't make them think they should become brave freedom fighters, just relax some of these rules into "advice" or "good ideas" such that they don't have to lie.
Distinguish Between Lying and Other Things
Young children are constantly making up stories, which is fine. We adults do the same. In fact some grown-ups are employed as actors, whose whole job is to pretend they are someone else. The difference between lying and storytelling fun is whether the other person knows about it and whether it's purposeful. When people tell a story, the ones listening know that it's just a story. When people play a trick on someone, that someone finds out that it was just a trick. But when people lie, they hope that the other person never finds out. People lie to escape trouble, to get someone else in trouble when they don't deserve it, to make themselves look better than they are, to make others look better or worse than they are, or to get something.
Delve deeply into the motive before you t interpret everything as a lie:
- If you ask your child, sitting right in front of you with a full plate, "Did you eat you dinner?", and they grin back over a full plate giggling, "Yes" then that's not a lie. The child knows you know they didn't eat the food. It's a joke not a lie. Joking is good developmental progress and I recommend you laugh heartily when children attempt jokes or pretending.
- If you yell to your child from another room, "Did you eat your dinner?" and they reply "Yes" but still have a full plate as before, then it may still not be a lie. The child may be making a joke just the same, not realizing that the situation is different. I recommend a code like "For Real" to let the child know you need the real answer and not a joke. You could say, "For real, did you eat your dinner?" The child should know not to joke or play.
- Sometimes the child doesn't remember or makes a mistake. This is age dependent, and you know your child. If you ask them questions and you get a false answer decide whether it's a memory or concentration issue. Use more questions to probe whether the child forgot. Let the child know that forgeting something is ok, but they should just say they aren't sure, or they "think" it happened one way but it might not have been.
Parent: "What did you do at school today?"
Grasshopper: "Um, we learned our words, had show and tell, ate lunch, then went to the library."
Parent: "You had show and tell today?"
Grasshopper: "Yep."
Parent: "What did you show?"
Grasshopper: "My giant pencil from Niagara Falls."
Parent: "Can you show it to me?"
Grasshopper goes briefly to his bag, then remembers, "Oh, no. Show and tell was yesterday. Today we did gym in the morning."
- Sometimes the child misunderstands your question, doesn't think to provide critical information, or is incompetent. If you ask grasshopper, "Did you give your brother his socks like I asked?" then grasshopper may say "Yes" even though what he actually did was take the socks and put them on his brother's bed, hoping that his brother would notice them while wandering the house at some future time. That's not a lie, it's just incompetence. If you're not sure whether the child is lying, follow up with more questions.
Parent: "You gave him the socks ... where did you give them to him?"
Grasshopper: "Well, I put them on his bed for him."
Parent: "Oh. Well I wanted you to give to him in his hands so he could put them on right away."
Grasshopper: "Sorry."
Dealing With a Lie
I don't believe in punishments that wouldn't happen in grown-up life, and I don't believe in protecting my kids from kid-level versions of what would happen in grown up life. So, I'm faced with a dilemma. In real life I would excommunicate a liar. So what do I if the liar is my child? It turns out that I have no choice but to excommunicate him or her. It happened to my oldest boy. He lied about hurting his brother and the result was terrible for the child.
He had already heard the "Liars are bad" talk, so he knew exactly what he was doing. I had to lay it on. I told him how disappointed I was and asked him how I could ever talk with him or do things with him if he was telling lies. Then after that, for a couple of days, almost every time he spoke to me I asked him if he was lying. He was very ashamed of his lie and had to live with the shame for a while.
After a couple of days I gave him the "Liars are bad" talk again and told him I didn't want to have a liar son, so if he wanted we could assume he just had a lapse in judgment the last time. As far as I know, my oldest has only purposely lied to me two times in his six year life, so I believe the method works. The middle child, four years old, has never outright lied after seeing what happened to his brother (this just changed over the weekend, between when I started this post and publishing).
There are many tears, and there is nothing that the child can do to re-establish trust. Every effort, explanation, promise just seems like more lying. It's devastating for the child to experience how badly the relationship is cruched by the weight of dishonesty, and it hurts me to see the crying and begging. I think parents have to brave through this because the emotional impact is so strong that the lesson sinks in deep. I know that later he will meet a lot of liars, many apparently successful. I'm relying on that emotional event I created for him to provide the appropriate cost/benefit perspective for him to make the right decisions.
One other point: Since the consequence is severe, parents must avoid falsly accusing a child of lying. Investigate fully to make absolutely sure. The false conviction is as bad as letting the lie go.
What About Fibs?
Fibs are small lies or omissions. I was "reprogramming" my second child for lying about candy wrappers left behind on a seat at the DMV -- his first lie. It soon became obvious that there were more wrappers than the number of candies that the second child ate. Therefore, some of the wrappers were from the older child who was with him. After I'd finished with the younger child I explained, in front of both, that the older one was showing very poor character also. He didn't come out to admit that some of the wrappers were left by him, preferring to simply let the younger take all the heat while relying on good luck to get off. I know that the older one thought he wasn't lying since nobody had asked him. However, I told him that he was dishonest and that was almost as bad as outright lying even if it seems like it's a lot smaller.
There are no small defects in character. When something is wrong then it's wrong. Getting into a fuzzy rationalization about what's small enough to be ok leads to a slippery slope. Each new crime is just a little worse than the last until, over the years and the months, anything goes. If character is important, then accept no compromises.
Why Is It Important? Don't Kids Grow Out Of It?
Maybe, but there is big danger that they don't. I've met many adults in low and high positions who are willing to lie, which is proof that not everyone grows out of it. The problem is that successful lying has strong rewards built right in. Kids need a very strong moral standard, ingrained in them from a young age, to counteract that reward. Parents who accept lying without much dissuasion effort teach their kids that there is no real-world consequence to lying, so why not try if it? Since these kids practice more, they get better and better at lying. I know, because I was a good liar. My parents didn't really do too much about my lying when they found out. I remember being a terrible liar in about grade three, but by the time I got into Jr and Senior high school I became a master. It was only when I experienced getting swindled and back-stabbed as an adult that I realized what a terrible flaw lying really is.
If The Parent Is A Liar, Don't Expect The Kid To Tell The Truth
Self explanatory. Parents who don't mind a lie here and there to get ahead shouldn't even bother to try teaching their kids otherwise. Kids are too smart to be fooled so easily. I actually feel ashamed right now because we were at a carnival and my child found a stuffed prize on the ground, brand new, obviously just dropped seconds before. I didn't see him find it so I don't know if it fell out of the contest booth or if someone dropped it. When I asked him, he said he didn't know either. After standing around for a minute or two to see that nobody claimed it, we kept it. I'm not sure that I handled that right. Usually we leave found items behind, hoping that the original owner will come back for it; in this case there was absolutely no chance that this stuffy would survive for more than 30 seconds if we left it -- it would either be trampled or taken by the hordes. I hope I didn't give a scenario in which he can justify that it's ok to take things as long as the original owner can't find them.
Talk Back!
Many people think differently about this than I do. How about you? Do you think lying is a big deal? How do you deal lying in the family?

Comments
I agree; lying is a huge deal
I agree; lying is a huge deal. It's so simple for kids to just slip into protecting their self interests, not realizing the damage that lying does to a relationship.
I would disagree, however, with your excommunicating approach. It seems like (and maybe I'm missing something here) the punishment only ends when the parent thinks the child has experienced the proper amount of guilt, which is an arbritrary milestone for both parent and child. Then the child is welcomed "back into the family," so to speak, when the parents feel like it.
If I were the child, I'd be wondering, if I could be welcomed in at all, why a three day wait? Am I only welcomed in when dad isn't mad anymore, and it takes him days to cool down? If it could be viewed as a mere lapse in judgement on day three, why couldn't it have been viewed that way from day one?
I'm a huge fan of teaching through logical consiquences and trying to mirror childhood with adult life whenever appropriate. I just wonder if this is one of those situations when childhood can't realistically reflect adult life (excommunication of liars), and something else would be more appropriate.
If I'm missing something here, I'd love to know what I've got wrong.
Keep up the great, thoughtful posts.
I admit that it is difficult
I admit that it is difficult to justify the length and end of the excommunication. When it comes to lying, there is really nothing that the liar can do to make it better. It really is just hoping that others forgive the lie and are willing to trust again. That's why I have such a hatred of lying, and think it is one of the worst character traits, and why I don't want my children to ever think that lying is a good idea. Once trust is lost, it can never be regained by the liar, it relies totally on others. In that way, the arbitrariness of coming back is exactly like the real world. People will trust again when they feel like it, not when the liar has repented.
By the way, my child is not excommunicated as such, although I see that I used that word. They don't have to live under the tree outside. They are just not believed, not taken seriously. I may not have made that clear. They are still taken care of, played with, etc, they just know that whatever the say comes bundled with a devaluing doubt. I will reread the piece and maybe change it to reflect that. Thank you for the helpful and thoughtful comment.
No need to rewrite for
No need to rewrite for clarity. I didn't think you actually kicked him out or anything.
Lying is bad but it's also a
Lying is bad but it's also a part of their six-year-old brain development - fibs, tall tales and so on. I think it's important that they are honest - I often say "It's okay if you did something wrong but it is not okay if you lie to me, so you better tell the truth now" - and this has worked really well w. helping them to choose to tell the truth. As for the obvious tall tales, I love the way a six year old embellishes reality w. imagination and am careful to not snuff that part out - that would be a tragedy in my book. It's all a fine balance...
The tall tales,
The tall tales, embellishments, jokes, are all glorious. I love it when my kids play tricks on me and surprise me. That's why I think it is very important to distinguish between lies and those other fun things. Really, the only time I'm concerned is when they lie to cause someone harm or to benefit themselves. I think it's a good idea to have a code phrase like, "Ok, tell me for real what happened" when you can't tell if they're embelishing or lying or telling the truth but you need to know. As you say, they mix it all in sometimes thinking it's super-fun. Thank you for the insightful comment as always!
Agree that lying is a huge
Agree that lying is a huge deal. At the stage we're parenting (one 2 and a half year old) it's just starting to rear its ugly head. But.. .she's two. So MOST of the time she doesn't realize she's lying. It's more often exactly like the example above with the show and tell. We gently redirect her to the truth, and I think as her development catches up this will largely iron itself out.
But the other day I ran into the kitchen for a minute which made her upset and when I came back there was something on the floor that wasn't there. I think they were crayons. You could tell they'd been thrown. I asked if she's thrown them and she said no. So I brought her over to the sofa and we sat down to discuss it. First I had to explain the word, because "lying" is not a word she's familiar with. Then we talk about what a lie is and why it's not ok to tell them. She admitted that she lied about the crayons because she was afraid she would get in trouble so we did an apology and hugs and then she cleaned up the crayons. We didn't do a time out because it was the first time, but we did talk about how lying is like hitting and backtalk and other things that send you straight to time out around here.
We'll see what happens next time.
Incidentally, there was a comment I read here I think, on the post about the jerky kid with the scooter, about how toddlers and young children don't really conceive of lying because they can imagine any number of scenarios as the truth, whether that's what really happened or not. Which of course sounds adorable and may even be true, but of course it's also our job to teach them to tell the difference between fantasy and reality and to communicate their thoughts about both things effectively.
Perfect example, and I think
Perfect example, and I think you handled it beautifully! I do think that most people instinctively know that storytelling is fine and fun but lying is wrong. I don't necessarily think that kids imagine any scenario as the truth, whatever that means. My kids always know that they didn't act right when they lie. The times they don't are the times I mentioned, when they're trying to make a joke or play a trick and I don't realize it. Since it was only the frst time, your girl almost certainly didn't know why lying is wrong. She'll certainly lie again, but now at least she knows and she'll be doing it with full understanding.
As far as the consequence, I come back to my suggestion that she know what she's doing to herself. She's an hosent, trustworthy child that everyone is intereted in talking to. If she lies, then she ruins that piece of her. That's really why lying is bad!
I'm glad you came by and hope you share more in the future. I love these stories from real life. Thanks!
“Don't lie” should be a
“Don't lie” should be a principle, not a rule. The difference between principles and rules is this: Principles can be broken by another principle, whereas rules should never be broken. When scripture says, "Thou shalt not bear false witness," this is a rule. But there is a relatively well-known ethical dilemma in which a woman asks to hide in your house because her husband is out to kill her. When her husband shows up at the door and asks if you've seen his wife, what should you do? In this case, the principle of preserving someone's life takes precedence over being absolutely honest, and in this case I'd argue that lying is the morally superior choice. So I'd frame it this way: "In principle, it's usually a good idea to be honest."
For me "Don't lie" is not
For me "Don't lie" is not really a value, principle or rule. It is a choice. Anyone can lie if they want to. It doesn't really make them that bad a person, just a person who can't be trusted. You could liken it to an incompetent. You'de never trust a teenager to do brain surgery or run a big company or even enter into a contract, not necessarily because they have bad intentions but because they simply can't be trusted -- there is no way they have the skills. Same with liars. They can't be trusted in the same way, except they choose to make themselves untrustworthy. They're as good as useless. That's my message to my kids: "Do you want to purposely make yourself a useless person? One way to do it is to lie." I guess that makes it a principle.
When I use the term "rule" I meant it in terms of other rules besides honesty. Many parents have many rules, but sometimes there are so many for kids that they feel it's easier to navigate by lying. Same as when a country has too many ornery business permiting, tax, bureaucracy rules then people get around them by ignoreing them or briding. Therefore, I recommend living with minimal rules.
Thanks for the comment Kevin! Awesome. I went to visit your site and was surprise to see it was called the Atheist Dad since you quoted scripture in your comment. I am intrigued and will check it out further.
Great story! We are
Great story! We are surrounded by lies everywhere we turn these days. It will be difficult to raise a kid like you are doing, but we'll try to follow your example.
That last part is SO true!
That last part is SO true! Parents should always tell the truth to their children if they want the same in return - my mom used to tell me little "white" lies all the time when I was younger but I always saw right through them! Not all kids would learn *not* to do that from such an example like I did. Great article!
~Rosie
In all honesty I have been at
In all honesty I have been at a loss on how to handle the lying by my six year old. He is constantly blaming everything on his younger brother and denying he had anything to do with the situation in question. I like your approach and how you explain it. I think I will try a variation of this out with my child and see if I can get him to understand honesty is a better way.
Let me know how it turns out.
Let me know how it turns out. I don't have that particular problem, but I do have a middle child who sometimes over-acts, i.e. pretends that he is more injured than he is, or is overly sad when a toy is taken. That kind of thing. He's looking for attention, but it's not the way that I want to support. Thanks for the comment and again, please let me know what works.
Great points here! So
Great points here! So practical too.
So often are parent/child relationships built on lying with the goal to protect and make like easier. It's easier to lie than to explain or have a difficult conversation. But I think being honest to our kids promotes a honest relationship. When a parent lies, eventually a kid finds out. That makes them feel bad but also "okays" the same behavior.
Another thing is over reactions. I had a friend who always lied to his mom because she always over-reacted. So, he started masking the truth to avoid her reactions and irate behavior from him being honest with her.
Great points sir. Have a great week!
I wrote this in response to
I wrote this in response to some posts I read that children lying is actually a good thing, and some recommendations on how to deal with lying that I couldn't get behind. Kids absolutely suck at lying when they are young, so you can catch them every time. I really think you have to hit that concept hard while you can still detect the lie because they're going to get good really fast. I totally agree with the over-reactions ... it's a similar concept to the over-abundance of rules some households have. Basically don't force the kids to lie.
Thank you so much for the great comment!
I've just come across your
I've just come across your website, and have been reading a few of your posts. I know that this post is now a bit old, but I would love your comments / thoughts.
My son is now 9yo. (He is the 2nd child, with an 11yo brother). I had always thought that both of my children were honest, and that they told me the truth. Then last year, my 9yo started telling me some things that I wasn't sure about, but since he has always been honest, I trusted him. Then I caught him out in a whopper of a lie. When he had told me the lie, I believed him. It was only by chance that we caught him out. So, somehow, he has become a very convincing lier.
Where do I go from here? I can no longer trust him, and I can't tell if he is telling the truth or not. If I push for an answer, he will most commonly say "I forgot". Now maybe he occasionally forgets, but I can't believe that he forgets as often as he says he does. It is hard to check on him, because it is usually school stuff - I know that there are some notes that he hasn't brought home from school, but I don't always know when notes are handed out; I don't know if he has handed in notes that I gave him to take back to school; he says that he can't find his homework boook - that he handed it in, but the teacher hasn't given it back.
Do you have any advice to offer?
I hate lying, and I never lie to my children. My husband is also very honest. And I'm not sure how to deal with it all.
His punishment for the lie was "no priviledges" for 2 weeks, which means anything that could be said No to was a No eg no tv, no desert, no computer time, no friends over, etc.
That's tough, and I want to
That's tough, and I want to offer advice but my oldest is only 7. However, I think the consequence has to be pretty severe on the lying side and pretty attractive on the honesty side. My kid "forgot" a lot too about what happened at school, but then we just made a big event of all of us talking about our days, including the parents. We told him he couldn't just forget, and if his memory was that bad then he had to keep a piece of paper and make a few notes about what was going on so he could remember better by dinner. If he couldn't do that then we would escelate by visiting his teacher and his teacher could tell us.
At that age they realy start being motivated by avoiding embarassment, so you have that large lever. My child for example would not properly put on his socks and shoes. After asking him and explaining to him that his shoes were being destroyed by him walking with them halfway off, he still always "forgot". It took exactly one time of helping him fix his socks and shoes in public for him to remember with 100% accuracy. I explained that I really tried to help him in private before, but since it wasn't working I would just help him whenever I saw that he was destroying his shoes, be it at the mall, at school, in front of a thousand people.
So, for the lying, I always put down liars as useless people because their words are unreliable. I hope that my kids believe that, and I can see them sometimes have an internal debate as to whether they want to tell me something or not, but they eventually tell me and I try to be as appreciative as possible for that. If my kid was lying about what happened at school then I would start to find out other ways, like visiting the school at the end fo the day or whenever to find out from the teacher what was going on. Even more embarassing, ask the other kids, letting them know that your son was lying. You probably don't have to go that far, but that's where I would be prepared to go. Always though, make the connection with your child that the reason you have to go ask others is because he's lying to you and can't be trusted.
Also, the other thing that makes it harder for kids to lie is if you show a lot of interest in them. Ask lots of questions about their day, remember that they took a test and ask how they did, find out what books they read, who their friends are, etc. Same kinds of things you do with your friends. It's hard for the child to create such a rich set of lies so they'll probably take the easier way out and tell the truth.
Let me know how it goes, and thanks for taking the time to comment!
Thank you for all of that.
Thank you for all of that. You have given me some food for thought here. I like the idea of the notebook - he hates writing things, so maybe that would be a good motivator. I'm also thinking about the idea of going to the classroom at the end of the day. The kids are big enough now that I just drop them off & collect them at the school gate. But I could meet him at his classroom each afternoon, and that would give me a chance for 2 words with his teacher - eg any notes today? & he wouldn't be able to lie about his homework. More effort on my part, but hopefully worth it. It also might make him feel awkward enough to motivate him somewhat.
It just feels so terrible, because he is basically a good kid. And I think that he is truthful most of the time.
Thank you again for your help. I really appreciate it.
Great, if you are there
Great, if you are there picking up and dropping off then it is so doable. It's not about trying to verify so you know when he lies, it's about getting it into his head that lying makes him a scummy person and it's not cool or easy. If it's just about verifying then he'll merely be careful about when he lies to you, making sure it is something you can't easily verify. But if, when he lies, he realizes how uncool he immediately looks because now mommy has to come to school and ask his teacher and his friends whassup, then he may understand (esp. if you tell him) that you need to do that because he's not trustworthy.
Also, I know you feel terrible, but your kid does not. Maybe he did the first few times, but after awhile lying becomes easy -- easier anyway than dealing with mom and dad's complaining about whatever the inconvenient truth might be. He's not being bad (in his own mind). He probably views it is as victimless with no side effects, meanwhile telling the truth could generate hassles.
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